Deadwood

[Tom D Ford]

Dang! Freedom

Sens. Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) - 2 pompous asses. Schumer lost me when he defended the ATF and FBI over the horrible events at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Graham pushed through the 1996 law against regulation and oversight of Derivatives and their products, that resulted in the world recession.

[Tom D Ford]

So if we thump the planet like a watermelon, can we tell if it's ripe?

Sweet and juicy? We're done?

I got a good laugh out of your comment.

[Dusty]

Tom, the Graham that is part of the movement to completely strip Americans of any privacy whatsoever is Lindsey Graham. He's a sleazy little bastard that likes to tout his military service as a Jag officer. He was, is and always will be an asshole.

It was Phil Gramm, the senator from Texas, who was the chair of the Banking Committee who pushed the dereg bill through congress. Bubba was only too happy to sign the fricken thing making it law. Think about it - the congress actually has a committee for the sole purpose of regulating banking and we get fjucked with a 12voltDC cattle prod.

That link Bob gave to Chris Hedges on Democracy Now was stunning. The comment he made on the Hartmann show was that we are witnessing a slow motion coup d'etat by the financial industry.

The players are all deceitful MoFos, repugs and dems. I posted an article by Greenwald I think in the political thread that indicates the dem leadership trying to whip senators away from adding single payer in reconciliation.

[Bob Richards]

So if we thump the planet like a watermelon, can we tell if it's ripe?

When we placed seismographs on the moon, the surprise after the first moonquakes was that, "it rang like a bell!" Then it was noticed that earth also did. Baseballs or watermelons don't ring like bells, they thump or thud. Solid spheres don't ring. A solid core would dampen out the waves in short order. It is said that the seismic waves that don't pass through the core prove that the earth has a solid core. Why would this disprove a hollow core? The question isn't even asked, since we all know that Newton's equation, and Cavendish's experiment, prove the earth is solid. Newtons equation equates the earth with cannonballs. In that equation, m1 and m2 are seen as having the same mass characteristics and the same dynamic forces. But, m1 was the earth, and m2 was a cannonball. So, the equation teaches us how to put cannonballs and like objects into orbit, so we figure we've got everything we need to know about cosmology nailed down. Yet, we still don't know any more about how gravity works than Newton admitted. Newton, explaining the nature of gravity in non-mathematical terms, said that gravity might be transmitted by an invisible æther. He further suggested that this æther may also be responsible for electricity, magnetism, light, radiant heat, and the motion of living things that he, like his contemporaries, thought was the consequence of some source beyond inanimate matter. So, how far beyond this have we come?

http://www.flyingdisk.com/lawgiver.htm

[Bob Richards]

What's your speculation about what it might do?

Well, since we are speaking of geological time, it is not likely I can be held to any account. I feel that eventually, that continent will push back down on its western margin, either shearing the subducting plate, or tipping it. This tipping action might bring the western part of the southern Pacific, the part that was once the continent of Lemuria to rise back above the surface. If you look at those sea floor maps that show the signature spreading zones, you will see that the area of the South Pacific islands and on to Australia doesn't have that typical ridge and rill topography of the major spreading zones. That is because it is most likely much like today's continental plates, the ones that remain above sea level.

[Dusty]

The question isn't even asked, since we all know that Newton's equation, and Cavendish's experiment

Okay, you got me cracking wise, however, I must confess my ignorance on formula and I had no idea the Cavendish gang was into astronomical considerations - particularly when the Lone Ranger and Tonto were on their silver heels.

Actually, Bob, I didn't know you had that tid bit on your site. The arc that would be made by a falling object would be even greater in a supersonic air craft headed East. It makes perfectly good sense to me even though I am unable to perch at some distant point that would evidence that arc.

One could make an interesting case for an olympic runner breaking all manner of speed records running the track in an easterly direction, but considering the track is oval it manages to compensate on the westerly return.

The Earth's core, if high school science was accurate, is molten. That could explain the movement of tectonic plates under surface land masses. I'm sure the ocean depths experience the same, but to a much lesser point of recognition - less, of course, those that result in tidal waves impacting land masses. So it would make sense that gravitational motion is the nexus of tectonic plate movement, but why aren't land masses moving in concert with the plates - if my opinion is correct? I mean, movement of tectonic plates that cause earthquakes have to move in an opposite direction than that of the land mass that it affects? And if the Earth were hollow, how does that explain a fiery core with floating subterranean land masses?

[Bob Richards]

A solid nickel-iron core was invented for two reasons, to allow the earth a sufficient mass required of it by Newtons formula, and to allow for something which could be a big magnet. Of course, molten nickel and iron can't be a permanent magnet, or even if heated above around 800 degrees. So, in a fit of creative thinking, schmience pictured the core being under such enormous pressures (generated by that same formula) as to force solidification. Last time I checked, I didn't know of how any liquid could be turned to solid in this way. In fact, when I checked, putting something under pressure usually raises its temperature. In that equation, d is distance. It is also written as r, or radius squared. What the equation sez is the F, or force of gravity, decreases as the inverse square of the radius, starting at the center of mass. What the thinking has been is that as one proceeds below the surface, the pressures increase with the shortening of the radius and the increased mass overhead. That equation would, if carried to the ridiculous, say that gravity is infinitely increased at the center of mass where the radius becomes zero, while in reality, at the center, all mass is outward, and if it is mass that is the source of the force (which I seriously doubt), all the planet's mass would be pulling away from the center, and hence, the center should be a vacuum. But I reject the formula, because I believe F is a product of an ether vortex, but then, schmience , after Michelson/Morley, 1895, said there ain't no ether, nohow. So, I continue to be a crackpot whose ideas are too whacked out for any serious consideration.

http://www.flyingdisk.com/newtons.htm

[Dusty]

The "outward force" is a bit of a stretch, imho. The core or center from which the gravitational force is exerted sounds more like a mini black hole to me.

On the surface of the Earth all things are in motion. I think we established that. So if one were to drop a ball from any height it is not only in a free fall directly downward, but also in motion due to the inertia of a spinning globe. Let's say a lazer beam is plumbed and directed straight down - is that light bending or is the speed of light able to frustrate the force of gravity? Or, using a lazer and a ball, side by side in a similar demonstration would we have a better opportunity to test/measure the arc?

I know an airplane defies gravity and must calculate the spinning of the globe in order to get directly from point a to point b. Moving like a snake in an oblique direction to arrive at a predetermined place. The plane actually moves in a straight line while the Earth moves beneath it.

To complicate the scenario, not only does the Earth spin on an axis, but it is also tilts along its trajectory. Now what the hell happens to that arc?

[Bob Richards]

The assumption that all celestial spheres are solid and of huge mass is still the fallout of the assumption built into that equation. The assumption is that planets and stars are massively similar to cannonballs and cannonballs are dynamically similar to planets and stars. Cavendish believed he'd measured the mass of the earth because he entertained the same assumptions going in.

I submit that black holes, dark matter, and a crapload of other theoretical errors pour out from that same equation. That formula lies at the base of nearly all cosmology and cosmogony. The empirical data it was built upon was taken from the observance of cannonball ballistics (period).

Newton was bright enough to see that the same math could be used to place cannonball-like objects into orbits around gravitating bodies. Because he was correct about this single detail, everyone seems to overlook the weaknesses of myriad other suppositions that have flowed from the equation.

The masses, m1 and m2, are a cannonball and the earth, in whichever order you put them in. The formula assumes gravity generation in the cannonball (though virtually unmeasurable) and iron-like masses for the earth (certainly unmeasurable). We could, if we really applied our schmience to the task, put a supertanker into deep space. I would bet that we'd have great difficulty putting a lead bb into orbit around that supertanker (unless we charged the tanker's outer shell to large negative voltage).

GRAVITATION, n.

The tendency of all bodies to approach one another with a strength proportional to the quantity of matter they contain -- the quantity of matter they contain being ascertained by the strength of their tendency to approach one another. This is a lovely and edifying illustration of how science, having made A the proof of B, makes B the proof of A.

from The Devil's Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce

It appears that Mr. Bierce was the only other person to catch this.

[Dusty]

Reading your post after reading an article about Obama's ill fated new push to put no child's behind left education scheme gives your hypothesis special meaning. Putting Bush's preventive thinking policies into practice, by Obama, continues the trend to marginally educate another generation. I guess the fricken educated hippies scared the shit out of Reagan and conservative dreams of grandeur enough to try to eliminate original thought, to say nothing of changing the meaning of things.

It's no wonder that the field of law enforcement from meter maids to ninja cops is a growing field. I hope I'm not around for the blow back.

My perspective on all this government tearing down of institutions that served us well for the sake of power and money in the short term reflects the success of a system determined to alienate one citizen from another. It makes perfectly good sense with the government's war on unions - presently targeting educators. Arnie "The Dolt" tried to damage the nurses union in Kul-ee-four-nya and Obama just sided with the firing of all teachers in a school district.

How much worse could things be made if Bush/Cheney were still calling the shots?

[Dusty]

Bob, how's come you didn't mention the quake yesterday off the Oregon coast?

[Bob Richards]

Bob, how's come you didn't mention the quake yesterday off the Oregon coast?

Because I didn't mention the other three.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Maps/US10/37.47.-130.-120.php

[Dusty]

Until I moved up here I didn't know there was so much earthquake activity. I did know that the PNW had the most volcanic activity on the continent or is that in the past?

Today is another insult to our natural biological physiology as we try to trick our bodies into accepting another time change. As though there is some reasonable explanation for this foolish scheme twice a year. To me, it's as stupid and insulting as taking your shoes off at the airport. One of the benefits of living in Arizona was never having to deal with screwing around with the time.

I managed to get the plumbing taken care of on Saturday. I replaced about 40' of 2' galvanized pipe with ABS. My knees feel like they've been beat up by some special forces harsh interrogator. The good news, though, is that the washing machine water no longer wells up in the kitchen sink. That galvy pipe is very, very heavy. Trying to cut up that stuff with a demolition saw was not all that successful. I actually has to use a hack saw to finish cutting it. It was so heavy I couldn't lift a 20' plus section out of its stirrup. If I screwed up it would have taken out 2 sections of ducting for the furnace.

[Bob Richards]

I hope you didn't mess up the iron pipe too badly and will be delivering it to me soon.

[Tom D Ford]

Tom, the Graham that is part of the movement to completely strip Americans of any privacy whatsoever is Lindsey Graham. He's a sleazy little bastard that likes to tout his military service as a Jag officer. He was, is and always will be an asshole.

It was Phil Gramm, the senator from Texas, who was the chair of the Banking Committee who pushed the dereg bill through congress. Bubba was only too happy to sign the fricken thing making it law. Think about it - the congress actually has a committee for the sole purpose of regulating banking and we get fjucked with a 12voltDC cattle prod.

That link Bob gave to Chris Hedges on Democracy Now was stunning. The comment he made on the Hartmann show was that we are witnessing a slow motion coup d'etat by the financial industry.

The players are all deceitful MoFos, repugs and dems. I posted an article by Greenwald I think in the political thread that indicates the dem leadership trying to whip senators away from adding single payer in reconciliation.

I thought it was Lindsey Graham who wrote the 1996 law, I sit corrected.